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Moderated By: TH -- (Moderated) -- Started: 9/23/2004 11:22:02 AM  Revision History

The board will follow the guidelines that Russ laid out below. Posters should recognize that the regular board posters believe that a credit bubble exists. Contrary opinions supported by facts are welcome; however, taunting, belittling, or arguing just to argue by bulls (or bears) won’t be tolerated. Political discussion is welcome as long as it pertains to credit bubbles. Partisan political discussions need to be taken elsewhere.

The board will discuss aspects of the epic American credit and bond bubble and it's ramifications for investors. Emphasis will be on how to profit from (or at least survive) a bond bear market and/or a credit collapse. Basic entry prerequistes to take this lab: 1. the knowledge that bond prices move inversely to interest rates. 2. an understanding that bonds can lose value if credit conditions deteriorate.

Food for thought:

"A sound banker, alas, is not one who forsees danger and avoids it, but one who, when he is ruined, is ruined in a conventional and orthodox way along with his fellows, so that no one can really blame him".
- John Maynard Keynes

"Those who had been riding the upward wave decide now is the time to get out. Those who thought the increase would be forever find their illusion destroyed abruptly, and they, also, respond to the newly revealed reality by selling or trying to sell. And thus the rule, supported by the experience of centuries: the speculative episode always ends not with a whimper but with a bang.
-John Kenneth Galbraith writes in his book "A Short History of Financial Euphoria"

Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."
Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds, Charles Mackay, - 1841

"I can calculate the motions of heavenly bodies, but not the madness of people."
-Issac Newton 1721, after being ruined by the South Sea Bubble

"To combat depression by a forced credit expansion is to attempt to cure the evil by the very means which brought it about; because we are suffering from a misdirection or production, we want to create further misdirection- a procedure which can only lead to a much more severe crisis as soon as the credit expansion comes to an end."
-Fredrich Hayek, 1933

Once public opinion is convinced that the increase in the quantity of money will continue and never come to an end, and that consequently the prices of all commodities will not cease to rise, everybody becomes eager to buy as much as possible and restrict his cash holdings to minimum size… If the credit expansion is not stopped in time, the boom turns to crack-up boom: the flight into real values begins, and the whole monetary system founders.”
-- Ludwig von Mises (1949)

"The truth is that liquidity, the only significant weapon remaining in the central bank's arsenal as decision making moves to the markets, will not necessarily go where you want it to go when you need it to go there."
--Martin Meyer writes in The Fed

‘Ponzi’ finance units must increase its outstanding debt in order to meet its financial obligations.”

A transition occurs over the course of an expansion as increasingly risky positions are validated by the booming economy that renders the built in margins of error superfluous - encouraging adoption of riskier positions. Eventually, either financing costs rise or income comes in below expectations, leading to defaults on payment commitments.

--Hyman Minsky

"The length and severity of depressions depend partly on the magnitude of the 'real' maladjustments, which developed during the preceding boom and partly on the aggravating monetary and credit conditions."
- Gotfried Haberler, Prosperity and Depression, 1937

Lab tools:

Glossary of terms common to this site:
http://www.nowandfutures.com/glossary.html

Terminology important to understanding the impending US-Asian maladjustment Train Wreck:
http://www.siliconinvestor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=21107936

Economic releases and data (NBER):
http://www.nber.org/releases/

Treasury rates and Agency spreads:
http://www.rbsgc.com/rbsgcconnect/home.aspx

Bloomberg interest rate quotes:
http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates/

Libor and Constant Maturity Treasury yields, used to price "house as ATM card" reset costs on Adjustable Rate Mortgages:
http://www.interestonlyloans.com/libor-loans.html
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h15/

Treasury Dept Auction Announcements and Results:
http://www.treasurydirect.gov/instit/annceresult/press/press.htm

Paul Kasreil's (Northern Trust) presentation "Inevitable Rebalancing of the US Economy". A must read.
http://www.northerntrust.com/library/econ_research/weekly/us/pc100104.pdf

Tracking the consumer liquidity trap, Steve Church:
http://www.prudentbear.com/archive_comm_article.asp?category=Guest+Commentary&content_idx=46829

Fed OMO:
http://www.ny.frb.org/markets/openmarket.html

Bank of Japan:
http://www3.boj.or.jp/market/en/menu.htm

Daily Treasury Statements:
http://www.fms.treas.gov/dts/

Assets (loan data) and Liabilities of US commercial banks, released Fridays:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/Releases/H8/Current/

Fed govt securities bought outright (monetized) and FCB activity:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h41/Current/

Federal Reserve Economic Data: St. Louis Fed
http://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/usfd/

Company conference call transcripts:
http://seekingalpha.com/transcripts

Committment of traders (COT) reports:
http://www.futuresemail.com/cot/cotp2.htm

Prudent Bear commentaries; key on Doug Noland's Credit Bubble Bulletin (updated weekends), Marshall Auerback, and Richard Duncan:
http://www.prudentbear.com/homepage.asp

Financial Sense Online (Jim Puplava), some very good weekend interviews and links to other sites:
http://www.netcastdaily.com/fsnewshour.htm

Excellent commentary and graphics from Contrary Investor:
http://www.contraryinvestor.com/index.html

Bank Credit Analyst:
http://www.bcaresearch.com/

Rasmussen Consumer polls:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/daily.htm

Ild's charts and graphs:
http://www.idorfman.com/Charts/

Russ Winter's, Calculated Risk's, Mish's and Bart13 blog sites, good articles, and links to relevant sites:
http://wallstreetexaminer.com/blogs/winter/
http://calculatedrisk.blogspot.com/
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/
http://www.nowandfutures.com/index.html

Ben Jones housing Bubble Blog:
http://thehousingbubble2.blogspot.com/

Mortgage Lender Croak-o-meter :http://br.endernet.org/~akrowne/ml-implode.html


Excellent overview of the endgame of fiat

http://richtoscano.com/dyingofmoney.pdf

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107342Where is the credit risk on the MBS held by the Fed? I bet these are secured loarich evans-02/08/2010 05:52:39 PM
107341Bill Bonner - "Everybody Off the Beach!" - Feb. 8,Chispas102/08/2010 12:40:27 PM
107340russ to compare apples to apples we need the folloHaim R. Branisteanu-02/08/2010 11:41:36 AM
107339I attempted to evaluate this whole issue an Actionrusswinter602/08/2010 11:26:17 AM
107338you mean DEFAULT and what about the junk at the FED?Haim R. Branisteanu-02/08/2010 06:53:35 AM
107337I figure the Government is on the hock for about 1/4 trillion of that GSE exposurusswinter102/07/2010 08:02:47 PM
107336To the US debt you forgot to add the Muni market of around 3 trillion and the lHaim R. Branisteanu-02/07/2010 03:42:06 PM
107335The B.A.D Stink Bombs http://www.wallstreetexamrusswinter1402/07/2010 11:56:31 AM
107334That incident could be used as the basis for a nuisance lawsuit. How many lawyerCOBOL102/07/2010 03:37:42 AM
107333One of my cars suddenly accelerated backwards and rammed the car behind with greGib Bogle102/06/2010 08:00:16 PM
107332Before this is all said and done, there will be allegations of sudden acceleratidave9102/06/2010 07:20:54 PM
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